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freaky naughty · Mar 10, 2008, 09:45 PM // 21:45

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Originally Posted by Oukanna

Perhaps they should create a anti-bot program that monitors behaviour..perhaps not have them banned first off, send them an automated response which requires them to repeat a number...if you are not a bot you can reply and nothing more happens, if you dont reply and your still moving around then obviously your a bot. ( i mean who is that ignorant to noy reply to a GM )

Those who have chat off? Or are set to offline?

Navaros · Mar 10, 2008, 09:52 PM // 21:52

I find it hilariously ironic that for a player to max that title, the design of the game itself dictates that the player must manually engage in bot like behaviour for hundreds or thousands of hours. Yet when a player uses a bot that automatically does the exact same thing then that the player is doing manually, almost ad infinitum, anyways, then that is wrong and evil.

Point being, the core problem about bots in HFFF is bad design requiring manual bot like behaviour grind for hundreds/thousands of hours; not the bots themselves. Removing that ludicrous grind would fix the core problem, removing the bots will not.

freaky naughty · Mar 10, 2008, 09:57 PM // 21:57

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Originally Posted by Navaros

I find it hilariously ironic that for a player to max that title, the design of the game itself dictates that the player must manually engage in bot like behaviour for hundreds or thousands of hours. Yet when a player uses a bot that automatically does the exact same thing then that the player is doing manually, almost ad infinitum, anyways, then that is wrong and evil.

Point being, the core problem about bots in HFFF is bad design requiring manual bot like behaviour grind for hundreds/thousands of hours; not the bots themselves. Removing that ludicrous grind would fix the core problem, removing the bots will not.

QFT but Anet believes that this grind will "keep us interested and playing." A bit of grind is ok but grind to the level of the Kurz/Lux title tracks is simply ridiculous.

ShadowsRequiem · Mar 10, 2008, 10:33 PM // 22:33

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Originally Posted by Esan

Bots in Lutgardis is ancient history. Many dozens have been reported. Anet are not going to do anything about it. Also, faction farming, unlike most other bot activities, is essentially victimless. (The only victims are the alliances hoping to control the capital cities, but this late in the game's life what is the point?). We already know that Anet look the other way for certain bot-like activities such as drinking alcohol, so this isn't exactly unprecedented.

ETA: Anet can remove the faction reward for the two Scouting quests. It would solve the problem overnight.

You get money from the quests :P and what the kurzick quest takes like 2 mins.... gold bots should go there too!

Shadowmere · Mar 10, 2008, 11:02 PM // 23:02

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Originally Posted by Navaros

I find it hilariously ironic that for a player to max that title, the design of the game itself dictates that the player must manually engage in bot like behaviour for hundreds or thousands of hours. Yet when a player uses a bot that automatically does the exact same thing then that the player is doing manually, almost ad infinitum, anyways, then that is wrong and evil.

Point being, the core problem about bots in HFFF is bad design requiring manual bot like behaviour grind for hundreds/thousands of hours; not the bots themselves. Removing that ludicrous grind would fix the core problem, removing the bots will not.

It's been quoted a few posts above but it bears repeating QFT ^

The Kuzick/Luxon titles pretty much require a bot-like endurance while farming for faction (assuming the title is to be achieved before the launch of GW2). Speaking from my experience hfff you pretty much become a bot while doing this, same route over and over again, same scenery. Your mind pretty much shuts down.

Imo there needs to be more options for gaining faction, right now the most effecient means of building significant faction is hfff. You can AB for faction but it's hit or miss and dosen't have nearly the payout of the scouting quests.

Perhaps if there was a smaller version of AB that had similar payout and time ratio to hfff, a bit like a RA or TA that had kuzick/luxon payout instead of balthazar.

MercenaryKnight · Mar 10, 2008, 11:11 PM // 23:11

The main reason it's not that simple is because theirs not much to the farm. You basically are a human bot when you run that for hours anyway.

I am surprised their isn't some script somewhere for the keyboards/ mice programs where all you do is go outside the zone with your u map up and hit one button and it'll place the flags and click the run skills for you each and every time. That wouldn't be against eula because you still have to take quest and zone manually.

If I wasn't afraid of them still banning me wrongly, I would just do that with the simple programs that come with my keyboard and mouse. Because it isn't "a script which can do stuff while I am away" it is something I have to manually use every time I zone my character.

Master Knightfall · Mar 10, 2008, 11:16 PM // 23:16

Reporting does very little good I've found unless it is a major issue. The bots Anet are after are the gold seller ones moreso than faction farmers and item farmers and the like.

I've tested the /report system since it started in more ways than reporting bots and Anet is very very lax on what they do about reports. When the same fool day after day week after week can spam a local town or outpost and cause havoc and is still online after coutless /reports on him something is wrong with the report system. Why people get banned here faster than Anet does anything about the low life in GW that just live to cause trouble in towns and outposts on a daily basis. I've even had 10 members of my guild report this character and nothing. He laughs it off everytime we tell him he's been reported and just continues to do what he does. And the ignore list isn't anywhere close to large enough to ignore every single one of these character types anymore. He hangs out in the same district of the same town usally everyday. I can't believe this character gets away with this after all the reports sent in.

IMHO Anet only makes it appear that they do anything with these features and Gailes few comments about them from time to time and actually don't do anything at all or very little. How many people do you know personally that have been perma banned from Anet? I've played it nearly 3 years now and don't know of a single one. Just those ones that fly to the forums to complain when they did get one.

Gattocheese · Mar 10, 2008, 11:20 PM // 23:20

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Originally Posted by Navaros

I find it hilariously ironic that for a player to max that title, the design of the game itself dictates that the player must manually engage in bot like behaviour for hundreds or thousands of hours. Yet when a player uses a bot that automatically does the exact same thing then that the player is doing manually, almost ad infinitum, anyways, then that is wrong and evil.

Point being, the core problem about bots in HFFF is bad design requiring manual bot like behaviour grind for hundreds/thousands of hours; not the bots themselves. Removing that ludicrous grind would fix the core problem, removing the bots will not.

I 3rd QFT

Being from the early FFF days where bots and Heros were not used yet, i used to think the title was meaningful. Now i dont. I realized that after all the hard work i have done faction farming, that the title became meaningless when HFFF was born. (still a neat title though)

If i could use a bot to save me hours upon hours of faction farming i probaly would use one. For i have reported many bots in the past in lutz, not just based on movement either. I investigate a lil before i actually do a /report. But now it doesnt matter. Before you used to have to be in a top Kurzick guild with some teamwork to pull off a steady and successful title. Now any joe smoe can get it.

The only thing i say is dont believe a word anyone says on these forums. Either it be about getting banned, saying i dont bot, scam, ect. I have had ex guildies come on here and flat out lie a bunch of times about thier accounts being banned for one reason or another. People will say anything to protect their stature and account.

Sergeant of Marines · Mar 11, 2008, 12:01 AM // 00:01

^ ^ What Gatto said. Just very sad that bots farm the money from the quest.

I think they should take the 150g out of the quest to make it just about faction. I would lose alot of income from this but still, it might stop this a little.
The only way it might not stop it, is if the bots are from the 2 major Factions farming to control the 2 main cities.

Shakkara · Mar 11, 2008, 12:57 AM // 00:57

Actually, I did get kicked and banned once when I was farming the lutgardis quest for two days during the weekend.

And I wasn't even botting! Fortunately they unbanned me within hours after I contacted support, but it's still odd.

So how come those bots don't get banned and I did?

Shakkara · Mar 11, 2008, 01:00 AM // 01:00

Edit: doublepost due to lag, delete please.

tankity tank · Mar 11, 2008, 01:08 AM // 01:08

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Originally Posted by Navaros

I find it hilariously ironic that for a player to max that title, the design of the game itself dictates that the player must manually engage in bot like behaviour for hundreds or thousands of hours. Yet when a player uses a bot that automatically does the exact same thing then that the player is doing manually, almost ad infinitum, anyways, then that is wrong and evil.

Point being, the core problem about bots in HFFF is bad design requiring manual bot like behaviour grind for hundreds/thousands of hours; not the bots themselves. Removing that ludicrous grind would fix the core problem, removing the bots will not.

Welcome to June 2007, have a nice stay.

Ekelon · Mar 11, 2008, 02:22 AM // 02:22

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Originally Posted by czymann

What is sad is that I have witnessed members from well known guilds who exhibited bot like behaviors during this HFFF of Melandru's Hope. Sure can be tedious. But when the same person does the exact same thing over and over again and also takes the same ammount of time to get to the exit, expect to be called a bot. Also when it is more than just a handful of people acting the exact same way, well sure looks fishy to me.

Actually, the smartest bot writers program variables into their program. Basically, it will randomly generate delay times and such. From things like waiting a random amount of seconds before moving after zoning in, to the time it takes you to double click (maybe set random double click times (how long you hold your left mouse key down and then up and then down again, because every time you click it varies by miliseconds). I've heard of games checking bots by checking this variable. When you factor this in, how do you really tell a bot from a player? If Anet were to crackdown on people, I really wouldn't want to see a lot of incidental bans. Even if you didn't do anything wrong, they are a hassle as you basically can't play Guild Wars until you get your account unbanned.

FoxBat · Mar 11, 2008, 02:53 AM // 02:53

We have bounties now. Nuke the repeatable quests, they aren't needed anymore, and HFFF is bad gameplay whether you're a bot or not. Up the bounties (as well as AB/FA) some if you like, most efficient use of them will always be HM boss runs, which is beyond the average bot.

HawkofStorms · Mar 11, 2008, 03:01 AM // 03:01

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Originally Posted by FoxBat

We have bounties now. Nuke the repeatable quests, they aren't needed anymore, and HFFF is bad gameplay whether you're a bot or not. Up the bounties (as well as AB/FA) some if you like, most efficient use of them will always be HM boss runs, which is beyond the average bot.

Lol. Sorry, HFFF is still way faster.

Leighwyn · Mar 11, 2008, 03:16 AM // 03:16

They could just rewrite their code to spawn enemies upon zoning or at least load them in as AI approaches and not just the playing character. Then we'd have to go back to FFF :-P

aapo · Mar 11, 2008, 03:44 AM // 03:44

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Originally Posted by Shiney

People would actually risk getting banned just to get some faction?

- I'd rather risk account ban than nervous breakdown.

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Originally Posted by Shiney

Not to mention how totally pointless it is anyway, there isn't any sense of satisfaction in a reward unless you work for it yourself.

- Who on earth can find this enjoyable? Feeling of reward comes from cheating the system if anything. Not because you're babysitting that your heroes are moving to right spot every once in a minute.

Antheus · Mar 11, 2008, 04:05 AM // 04:05

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as a FFFer and it was our life

This is the reason to support bots. Doing the same thing for months but by actually playing sounds simply wrong to me.

The Meth · Mar 11, 2008, 04:38 AM // 04:38

If Anet wants to crack down on EULA violations sometime soon, how about they go after the gold sellers and account buyer's? You know, the ones that actually affect real players? Punishing someone going after a harmless title is low on my list of priorities.

Go ahead and remove the 150 gold each time the quest is done. Considering FF is much faster then AB, why should the person doing it get 2 million gold at the same time?

Pleikki · Mar 11, 2008, 05:09 AM // 05:09

Im in hzh Ally and i dont know Any bot Drop of Fear. And idd its ridicilous bot. We know when someone using bot and it isnt fun (huge faction spikes). SO it should be stopped.